[sorgan]

Hi guys (im sorry if this is in the wrong spot) i am organising a 3 day tournament in sydney to be held at the horden pavilian at this stage it is just a SC2 event however i am open to other games providing the gaming comunity suports it, I have a fair bit of interest from some rather big names in the gaming industry (not going to mention them right now) but before any of us commit to this event we are turning to the gaming comunity to mesure
1. Support from the gaming comunity and
2. what is it you want from a gaming tournament

the event layout is 3 days with a winners and loosers bracket (yep that familiar layout you see alot)

so please reply to this thread if you would be interested and what you would consider a reasonable entree fee

Regards
Wise Choice Systems

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by sorgan

Hi guys (im sorry if this is in the wrong spot) i am organising a 3 day tournament in sydney to be held at the horden pavilian at this stage it is just a SC2 event however i am open to other games providing the gaming comunity suports it, I have a fair bit of interest from some rather big names in the gaming industry (not going to mention them right now) but before any of us commit to this event we are turning to the gaming comunity to mesure
1. Support from the gaming comunity and
2. what is it you want from a gaming tournament

the event layout is 3 days with a winners and loosers bracket (yep that familiar layout you see alot)

so please reply to this thread if you would be interested and what you would consider a reasonable entree fee

Regards
Wise Choice Systems

I can tell you know that 3 days is too long (unless your talking about some serious cash involved like 5 figures)

IF the prizes are good and the rego fee is cheap it is easy to get 100+ people to attend a Starcraft II event in Sydney (without any interstate, or internationals attending)

[Dox]

Can you please tell us a bit more about your goals for the event and what your expectations are?

[Fenner]

I support this, more events are always welcome. A long event sounds like fun assuming the prize pool is LARGE.

[PiG]

Entry fee depends on the tournament prize and such.

3 days sounds a bit long I really recommend you make sure you don't try and organise this soley on your own and instead speak to those who already run tournaments regularly such as dox, chris@cityhunter and so on to make sure you run a successful event.

That being said if you are a bit clearer with your goals and intentions then the gaming community would be faster to show their support. We are always really happy to see new events popping up but unfortunately many in the past have been poorly planned and hence I and im sure many others wait to see hard evidence of a good event before we jump on board and support it.

For more information on what we want from a good event:
1. A commentated stream, preferably a viewing area away from the actual players where live spectators can watch the commentary without the players overhearing.
2. Well-planned event with people deeply involved in the sc2 community helping run it.
3. doesn't run too late, finals get really sloppy when they are played past 10pm.

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	Mayo:
	nirvAnA:

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by PiG

Entry fee depends on the tournament prize and such.

3 days sounds a bit long I really recommend you make sure you don't try and organise this soley on your own and instead speak to those who already run tournaments regularly such as dox, chris@cityhunter and so on to make sure you run a successful event.

That being said if you are a bit clearer with your goals and intentions then the gaming community would be faster to show their support. We are always really happy to see new events popping up but unfortunately many in the past have been poorly planned and hence I and im sure many others wait to see hard evidence of a good event before we jump on board and support it.

For more information on what we want from a good event:
1. A commentated stream, preferably a viewing area away from the actual players where live spectators can watch the commentary without the players overhearing.
2. Well-planned event with people deeply involved in the sc2 community helping run it.
3. doesn't run too late, finals get really sloppy when they are played past 10pm.

Was thinking of what to write, but I think you say it perfectly.

Im sure there would be plenty of people that would love to help and or play/go to an event like this, limiting factor will be the prizepool to attract the player I think.

[sorgan]

i was mainly looking at a 3 day event due to the support i have behind me however the 2 day event does sound more manageable i would also make sure the event does not run too late as i would want the best final possible and i would not want a sloppy presentation i have received a few personal msgs from people who run these events so just having a chat to them gathering all your requests and then once i have all the information i will be releasing the prizes sponses and so forth

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by Dox

Can you please tell us a bit more about your goals for the event and what your expectations are?

my goal for the event is to obviously promote E-Sports and the australian SC2 players.
my goal for the event is to produce an event that gains international recognition (long term goal) and to host an event that starcraft 2 players are excited to attend participate in and that players from all over australia and NZ would attend, As for broadcasting im talking to GOM.TV to see about organising a stream

[Dox]

Originally Posted by sorgan

As for broadcasting im talking to GOM.TV to see about organising a stream

??????????????

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iM MaFia:

LOL

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Dox

??????????????

I think that means he is in communication the lads at GOMTV and is awaiting an outcome

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Dox:

thanks champ, i can read!

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

I think that means he is in communication the lads at GOMTV and is awaiting an outcome

that is correct sorry was trying to answere a few questions and ideas in 1 thread as i already had posted prior

[Dox]

Well I don't understand... Why are you contacting a Korean organisation to stream an Australian event? What exactly have you proposed to them? Surely I can't be the only one who is surprised by this?

Could you share a little more information about your company/team? What your prior affiliations with eSports are, who is in your team, what their experience is, etc. Feel free to grab me on Skype anytime, if you like. Details are in my signature. I'll happily help in any way I can. Just trying to ensure we don't find ourselves blindsided again.

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nirvAnA:

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by Dox

Well I don't understand... Why are you contacting a Korean organisation to stream an Australian event? What exactly have you proposed to them? Surely I can't be the only one who is surprised by this?

Could you share a little more information about your company/team? What your prior affiliations with eSports are, who is in your team, what their experience is, etc. Feel free to grab me on Skype anytime, if you like. Details are in my signature. I'll happily help in any way I can. Just trying to ensure we don't find ourselves blindsided again.

Team name is WCG (wise choice gaming) Sats, Girds but i am not affiliating this with the team
the reason i aproached GOM is due to the amount of people that use GOM already and to reach a wider market i am not planing on creating another SC2 event im planing on creating the dreamhack of australia i have been playing starcraft since SC2 came out so i am very fresh as such however girds and sats and a few of my friends have been playing since brood wars and i have watched every event live streme since rolling out my first marine (yes im terran )
i beleive that there are some very talented and skilful players in australia my idea is to create an event to expose those players now this will not happen at the first event i know that but if i set the foundationd right at the start then the potential from there is only limited by the comunity
i understand your concern regarding been blind sided and its the reason i put it up as this is my idea and i asked for feedback im not intending on blind siding anyone and i am making this clear right now if the event isnt going to end up becoming "another event" then it probably will be a 1 off

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PiG:

good explanations :)

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by Dox

Well I don't understand... Why are you contacting a Korean organisation to stream an Australian event? What exactly have you proposed to them? Surely I can't be the only one who is surprised by this?

Could you share a little more information about your company/team? What your prior affiliations with eSports are, who is in your team, what their experience is, etc. Feel free to grab me on Skype anytime, if you like. Details are in my signature. I'll happily help in any way I can. Just trying to ensure we don't find ourselves blindsided again.

I am surprised by this, but more big tournaments in aus yay!

also

In Dox We Trust.

[AvPoker]

Is it me or is this whole thing a bit fishy?

[Mayo]

You should talk to myself and Dox, we can point you in the right direction I think.

[syfChadMann]

Is this a Troll or what?...

Dreamhack works in Europe.. because there are millions more people there.. You simply do not have the market to develop an event like Dreamhack in Australia.
Sorry but it won't work and someone is going to lose alot of money if you try.. on that note, if you attempt to gain financial backing - good luck. No one in Australia will put the kind of money you will need behind an event in Australia.

The future for growing eSports in Aus, is events like ACL.. start small, become bigger. You can't just throw out a massive event and expect it to work.
Good luck tho...

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PiG:

He said it wouldn't happen in the first event! Don't need to be quite so negative

[FvRphoneheha]

Originally Posted by sorgan

Team name is WCG (wise choice gaming) Sats, Girds but i am not affiliating this with the team
the reason i aproached GOM is due to the amount of people that use GOM already and to reach a wider market i am not planing on creating another SC2 event im planing on creating the dreamhack of australia i have been playing starcraft since SC2 came out so i am very fresh as such however girds and sats and a few of my friends have been playing since brood wars and i have watched every event live streme since rolling out my first marine (yes im terran )
i beleive that there are some very talented and skilful players in australia my idea is to create an event to expose those players now this will not happen at the first event i know that but if i set the foundationd right at the start then the potential from there is only limited by the comunity
i understand your concern regarding been blind sided and its the reason i put it up as this is my idea and i asked for feedback im not intending on blind siding anyone and i am making this clear right now if the event isnt going to end up becoming "another event" then it probably will be a 1 off

I think what Dox might be saying is that Gom's a weird choice when Twitch.tv and Owned.tv are far more normal choices for western streamers/western events?

[iMSystem]

I'm curious as to what you sent to GOM.

The OP is horrible and no information is even giving except its in Australia, and if you sent this to any major casting organization they would laugh at you.

Sorry, but not feeling this one

EDIT:
I saw this on your Facebook just now

+ Show +

ok guys i have received emails back from some BIG names in the Computer/Digital world now i need your help i really want to get this event off the ground and promote E-Sports in australia so what i need you to do is click the link share the link reply to it really important we get this out there cheers WCS

Source

More detail?

[ROOT`iaguz]

I echo Mafia's sentiments. Talk to Dox before you do anything.

[nirvAnA]

+1 to what iaguz said

Dox may sound a bit harsh up there but its all for your own good. It will help you think things out thoroughly as he has like 10 years of experience in organizing stuff. Have a talk with him privately and then update the original post to include all the essential information.

As people have mentioned above, more tournaments are always nice but remember bad ones end up hurting the scene instead of growing it.

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by System

I'm curious as to what you sent to GOM.

The OP is horrible and no information is even giving except its in Australia, and if you sent this to any major casting organization they would laugh at you.

Sorry, but not feeling this one

EDIT:
I saw this on your Facebook just now

+ Show +

ok guys i have received emails back from some BIG names in the Computer/Digital world now i need your help i really want to get this event off the ground and promote E-Sports in australia so what i need you to do is click the link share the link reply to it really important we get this out there cheers WCS

Source

More detail?

my facebook post was more directed at friends as for what i sent to GOM i sent them an outline of the tournament makeup 128 competitors outlining the winners and loosers bracket i also provided them with the current majour sponser we are working with and the buisness plan i was also upfront with them and explained that i am looking to the comunity to make sure its an event that will continue in the future before locking anything in and they were more than happy to provide the information i needed

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Is this a Troll or what?...

Dreamhack works in Europe.. because there are millions more people there.. You simply do not have the market to develop an event like Dreamhack in Australia.
Sorry but it won't work and someone is going to lose alot of money if you try.. on that note, if you attempt to gain financial backing - good luck. No one in Australia will put the kind of money you will need behind an event in Australia.

The future for growing eSports in Aus, is events like ACL.. start small, become bigger. You can't just throw out a massive event and expect it to work.
Good luck tho...

as i said its a long term goal i obviously am not expecting it to be the case right away
and its my money i am outlaying to start with so if it looses its on me
as for no one backing an australian event there you are wrong i already have people interest and am drawing up proposals as we speak this was not a troll the thread was simply established to get ideas and thoughts from the comunity have i commited to GOM no am i looking at other options yes this thread is to gauge interest and for me to put in place a buisness plan that will include a structure for an event that competitors and observers can en joy

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	Flamga:	Would love to see this, esp with some Aussie casting love!!!
	xGKingdelete:	^me too, would be absolutely amazing if this happens successfully

[sorgan]

*update*
would like to thank those that sent me a PM i will try and catch up with you guys over the next week, Working with a few companies and just ironing out the finer details i am hoping within the next coiple of weeks to have the full details to post

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Bash:

good luck!

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by sorgan

*update*
would like to thank those that sent me a PM i will try and catch up with you guys over the next week, Working with a few companies and just ironing out the finer details i am hoping within the next coiple of weeks to have the full details to post

Looking forward to seeing what you have in store for us man!!!

[dippa]

i'm sure you have the best of intentions but you seriously need to understand ...

so many people in "eSports" have invested thousands of dollars and hours only to see their efforts burn in flames for nothing.

gamers aren't kids anymore. we're a little older, a little wiser and a little more skeptical of everything that comes along. there's nothing wrong with that - it's just that people have now grown past 18 year olds running everything and are now used to injecting a modicum of professionalism (typically acquired from working in jobs, studying at university etc) in their events.

that explains why everyone's been fairly reluctant to jump into bed with you so far, metaphorically speaking.

i really hope this event turns out well. i don't care if it's not the dreamhack of australia - as long as it's a well-run tournament that's above board i'm sure everyone will be happy. dox and mayo have probably already given you a heads up as to what people expect and probably a better indication of how to go about things in the future.

everyone wants to support you. we really do. the more events the better. but when you come and make a post that has no punctuation, no details and 100% platitudes, everyone tends to get a bit edgy. don't take it personally, it's just that people are a bit more cautious these days.

[sorgan]

Originally Posted by dippa

i'm sure you have the best of intentions but you seriously need to understand ...

so many people in "eSports" have invested thousands of dollars and hours only to see their efforts burn in flames for nothing.

gamers aren't kids anymore. we're a little older, a little wiser and a little more skeptical of everything that comes along. there's nothing wrong with that - it's just that people have now grown past 18 year olds running everything and are now used to injecting a modicum of professionalism (typically acquired from working in jobs, studying at university etc) in their events.

that explains why everyone's been fairly reluctant to jump into bed with you so far, metaphorically speaking.

i really hope this event turns out well. i don't care if it's not the dreamhack of australia - as long as it's a well-run tournament that's above board i'm sure everyone will be happy. dox and mayo have probably already given you a heads up as to what people expect and probably a better indication of how to go about things in the future.

everyone wants to support you. we really do. the more events the better. but when you come and make a post that has no punctuation, no details and 100% platitudes, everyone tends to get a bit edgy. don't take it personally, it's just that people are a bit more cautious these days.

yep i understand that i actualy already had an outline but as i stated what i wanted from teh community was a investemnt of time nothing more just tell me what it is you would like from an event if it was to be held over a couple of days i am fully aware of the community wanting to support the event and i am investing a lot of money into the event from my own pocket thats why i am been very cautious with what i do and dont advertise as i dont want to promis anything then have it not happen and have to cover the cost so i right now i am just after feedback to what makes a good event from there ill go back to the buisness plan to make sure i have the best posible oportunity for a continued event and to get the best possible support from companies

[SLCN.Kez]

What I believe makes a good event!


CASTERS: At ACL having live casters there in Maynarde and Doble was freaking awesome!


A LOT OF CAMERAS/FOOTAGE: Getting a lot of interviews, having people asking questions, generating content, all that good stuff.


HYPE: The one thing I believe was missing from ACL was the hype surrounding the event. Prior to an event you need write-ups with a brief intro into every player so you can get to know them and have an emotional investment so you can see how they do in the tournament, also lets overseas spectators get to know the relatively unknown sea scene if it gets posted on international forums such as team liquid.


PRIZES: It was relatively unknown (from my experience atleast) what the exact prizes were for ACL up until about a week prior to the event(Btw I'm not bashing ACL by comparing them to what could be better, acl was freaking awesome its just the only major live event ive been to ), So listing prizes (and having them preferably bigger) would be good

INTERNATIONAL NAMES: I Know personally I get no bigger satisfaction than hearing when a SEA player beats some top NA or KR or EU player, so while it will be extremely difficult if you could manage to get some big international foreign players down that would help promote the SEA scene and most likely the publicity of the event A LOT which in turn will generate you income.

Good stream quality/coverage: Ensuring Stream is advertised well so lots of people can view it (being featured on team liquid is one example) and ensuring good stream quality is a must.

Being run on time: A lot of LAN events generally go over time and this can force players to be tired, but also hinders how much people watch the event on stream since if there is downtime for an hour they will most likely leave and miss future matches perhaps, So ensuring there is always content/important matches being shown can only be good.

These are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure people will come up with others! I sincerely hope your massive dream comes through, the SEA scene is there to be exposed for the awesomeness that it is so we need to do something about it and get ourselves out there so goodluck!!

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Dox:

This is good feedback, I'll work on the hype next time around, thanks!! :D

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by kez

HYPE: The one thing I believe was missing from ACL was the hype surrounding the event. Prior to an event you need write-ups with a brief intro into every player so you can get to know them and have an emotional investment so you can see how they do in the tournament, also lets overseas spectators get to know the relatively unknown sea scene if it gets posted on international forums such as team liquid.

If having CSN interview most of the top players in Aus is not good enough hype for a SEA tourney IDK what is haha. But i agree with everything you say except partly the one about international players. I like seeing them in international tournaments but when for example Ace came and made all our monies belong to him it was kinda shitty for me personally.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

If having CSN interview most of the top players in Aus is not good enough hype for a SEA tourney IDK what is haha. But i agree with everything you say except partly the one about international players. I like seeing them in international tournaments but when for example Ace came and made all our monies belong to him it was kinda shitty for me personally.

Whatever.... noone really gives a damn how much money a SEA player wins if they don't have to beat someone they know of in order to do so. I'd rather PiG or Iaguz or someone gets the prize money to help support them as they try to make a living representing SEA eSports, but if they are serious, then they probably want a chance to get into the international scene... getting a few good players out here to challenge our guys should be fun. And we certainly have players capable of upsetting almost anyone in the world.

[TAminimat]

Yea exactly I just rather see it at places like IEM. For instance glade beating huk, targa nearly 2-0'ing MMA etc etc.

[SLCN.Kez]

Was that the pig thing? if it was totally forgot about that LOL, oh wait also forgot about dox's thing as well herp derp lol, but still a writeup with a lot of the lesser known players would have been cool ^_^.
and yeah it sucked when ace came down but how awesome would it have been if he came down and someone beat him ya know? especially since a big thing of that tourny was that light n someone else (was it mafia?) took a map off him. But yeh just ideas n i seriously hope this event goes down!

[|Erasmus|]

My take on the weekend results:

Targa didn't get out of his group (but he did play well, admittedly).
Moonglade won the biggest SEA event since he won the the WCG Aus Qualifier, and the Blizzcon qualifier.

It doesn't really serve to show any different to the prevailing international opinion that glade is the only real threat to have come out of SEA.

By bringing players here rather than sending our guys over to IEM we have greater chances. First of all, the international players have to slog through an entire bracket of local competition. And they are the ones jetlagged in a foreign country... Especially with the lack of local sponsorship (for sending players internationally) we have trouble even finding a candidate to go to some IEM events.

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SLCN.Kez:

Totally agree, all forgein players are belong to us!

[TAminimat]

Yea I agree with you on that, all I'm saying is that I would prefer to keep our tournies local rather than having gosu koreans crushing kids skulls.

[Dox]

Just a little bump to keep this thread in the eyes of the community. I initiated e-mail contact with WCS today, so hopefully something emerges soon enough.