After close to 6 months of helping maintain this OP, crAzerk is stepping down and passing the reins over to resident map hacking detection champ, Nemo!
Admin Note: To submit a 'Suspected Hacker Report', you MUST produce the following:
Replay(s) (The more the better) of suspected hacker
Analysis of specific points in the game, with time (e.g. 10:26-10:35) stated, where the suspicious hack-like symptoms are found
Any accusations without these two will be ignored and you may be temp banned for falsely accusing and ruining the good name of someone else.
Confirmed Map Hacker List:
Sequoia (Blink Hacking - Multiple sources of blatant blink hacking from Jazbas, Jerry, PiG, etc)
Ghost - (Highly suspected and does not wish to submit more replays to clear his name, moving to Confirmed Hacker unless he comes back to clear his name)
iVnFiction (Suspicious sniping of Mothership. Claimed to not be playing account but disappears after being asked to supply replays. Moved to Confirmed Hacker unless he comes back to clear his name.
onsjcapone (Blatant Maphack, glances into Fog of War multiple times to look at opponent). Analysis / Replay
MeLo - Repositioning army repeatedly to things he can't see. Replay, Analysis
LiFeWiRe - Does too many things that are maphack-worthy. Also a racist douchebag. Report and Analysis
Whiteluxury / LGWhite = Confirmed hacker. In base proxy gates on a 4 player map + heaps of other obvious stuff. Begins from page 51. Ban begins 6th November.
xxdroidxx - Bunch of dodgy actions + staring into fog at an invisible unit + multiple dubious sniping of observers. Analysis. Replay.
Same words of advise as always.. When you meet people who cheat just to win in SC II.. Just ignore them and move on until they receive the banhammer from blizzard! No point muddling over a lost that you can learn nothing from
Same words of advise as always.. When you meet people who cheat just to win in SC II.. Just ignore them and move on until they receive the banhammer from blizzard! No point muddling over a lost that you can learn nothing from
pretty sure an account needs a number of "flags" before it is checked out by blizzard (theorycraft). so then if everyone just moved on in these types of situations, no one would get banned there are people of certain types, then there are others. iduno, i guess everything just balances itself out. you just have to learn to accept it. advice is useless i guess im more a passive type and dont give a **** lol.
Are you really sure he uses blink hack? I won a blink stalker immortal PvP game against him, and when he looked at his base where I had sent a zealot to his mineral line his stalkers didn't blink backwards and many died.
Not sure how a blink hack works but he wasn't using it then.
I can upload the replay if you guys wanna take a look.
Edit: Ok wait i just re-watched the replay again and I saw one point where a stray stalker blinked back automatically (when he was controlling his main army). Hmmm.
Last edited by EveVendetta; Wed, 28th-Dec-2011 at 6:45 PM.
lol that guy is so bad though. Does the most obvious blinkstalkers 11:30 push every game and i just overwhelmed him despite the micro i think 3-0 the other day...
Edit: Yeah make sure you have sent a proper report to blizzard, they normally take a few days though. Just wait and see I suppose.
You know what, I played this guy yesterday, and didn't notice anything, but I read this thread and went and looked at the replay, and he does not even scout at all in a PvP until after his CYBERCORE.
I mean, yes, some people scout after 12gate and check proxy spots first instead of doing a 9scout for added safety, but scouting at 16 supply is a bit ridiculous - a 2x proxy gate in the middle of Entombed Valley would have been a B/O win against him doing that.
i played this guy when this season start he always go blink stalker vs zerg and he took 3 games frome me and 7 games from jerry, then he admit to jerry he is using hacks
While I'm honored to be tasked this responsibility by nirvAnA, I have some points to make:
What is the purpose of this thread?
Is to catch maphackers? To put a label on hackers? To vent your frustration after losing? To compile a list of hackers to ban for future tournaments? To compile a list of hackers to ostracize and verbally abuse everytime you get matched against them on ladder?
Whatever the intention is, I don't see how it's going to be done 'fairly'. Whether someone is hacking or not is 90% of the time a fairly ambiguous case. Apart from the blatant cases where players actually glance into the fog (happened ages ago I recall), most other cases are bound to be ambiguous.
How do you judge whether someone is hacking?
What then is the criteria to decide if someone is or is not a maphacker in these cases? Is it when 60% of the replies agree that he is a hacker? 80%? 90%? 100? Or is it when an 'expert' (e.g. top 10 GM player) says 'yes, it is hacking'?
There are just so many cases of 'sixth sense' in this game of SC2 which makes it difficult to distinguish who's hacking or not. One personal case I could recall was when Shortizz was still an unknown and he was playing against a wellknown T (can't rem who), and he basically put up blind spores ag a dual port Banshee build and as a result owned it pretty well. I recall thinking at that point of time 'HOW DOES HE KNOW??'
Hacks? Hardly. It's just a precautionary measure as we all know by now, 'safety spores' as we call it.
And I'm sure you've seen many games of the top GSL Zergs (I always get them mixed up so I won't bother naming them) employing some mystical sixth sense and somehow catching every single Terran drop
Proper decision-making techniques
Anyone who has studied decision-making techniques academically will be able to attest to this - a group makes better decisions than an individual, although they will take a longer time and other group processes may bias their decision of course.
Especially so in such a moral decision as 'Is X a hacker', with no clear criteria to determine it, it is definitely preferable to have a group make a decision rather than an individual. If you want to appoint 'someone' to decide on these cases, you need a group, not any lone individual.
And even with a group, you'll need to establish the proper decision making technique as well - do you decide by consensus? (100% agree as a group) Do you vote? (80% majority, etc) Do you have an appointed leader who consolidates the points by the group and makes the decision? Do you
Conclusion (TL/ DR)
Therefore, I don't see this thread accomplishing much, besides a lot of finger pointing and a lot of tension between players. To summarize my points:
A clear purpose for this needs to be established. Are we going to ban named hackers from tournaments? (if anything less, there is no point for this thread, just disseminate the information in your clan or whatever to ostracize known parties
Clear criteria needs to be established to determine whether someone is a hacker
If above points are settled, then a team needs to be established, with clear decision making techniques put in place.
Thus, in light of the points above, I have to reject this delegation of being the judge in these maphack cases.
EDIT: In light of the recent confession, I have this to add:
Not everyone is going to have the balls like FadeevetS to own up to his crime. But well if the purpose of this thread is to put monumental pressure on a suspected hacker until he folds and crumbles and confesses to it, you don't need a judge.
So what I CAN do is to simply update the OP if we have confessions, but I'm not going to play judge. You guys can be the lynch mob.
Last edited by crAzerk; Thu, 29th-Dec-2011 at 11:16 AM.
I dropped 7 games to a no name Protoss the other day... I looked at replays I did not do anything out of the usual. 4 gate every game yet still managed to beat me, very unusual. Almost broke him once but COINCIDENTLY goes into my base and destroys my CC with full mana....... Teched to DT. I was going 1-1-1 after 6 losses of bio and how he know I dont have a raven on map hmmm
Blind tech switches and preparation at his base knowing exactly when I am going to move and how.
Cant beleive my win rate is at 20% currently. I decided to quit laddering on until blizzard sorts some of this crap out. I am working on getting my other account into GM now instead.
It is actually disgusting the amount of people doing it at the moment. I managed to drop several games at Platinum / Diamond level, analysis of replay makes me think wtf... Several instances when I fly factories over manage to put blind pylon in exact location where I am flying just as am about to land or drop. For people to be doing it "Coincidently" in platinum level compared to me beating the best with the strategy makes me question it.
From what I have heard these hacks are available freely to the public whereas before they were paid and private... Hence the dramatic increase... It is just disgusting, lowlife and pathetic doesn't matter what excuse you have IRL or what ever.
If you have IRL issues, go SORT it out... Dont go on Starcraft and take it out on players who practice so hard and train to improve because it messes with people and puts them off game. My previous experience is if you have IRL issues your game play will be drastically effected in a bad way and you should not play until it is sorted out.
ok guys, I know that the guy Sequoia is confirmed hacking. But can anyone post a replay or a video of him actually hacking?
I'm not being a troll or anything, I just need hard evidence.
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