TLR We need drama back in this community, professionalism is something that we can never truly achieve in a scene as small as ours and have it grow. Maybe one day when the game becomes much larger we can aim for that but for now we need to drop the ******* PR bullshit and bring things back to how they where.
Also since I'm writing most of this from memory a few things may be slightly inaccurate but I think the general point is still pretty clear (and I ramble a bit skim reading at times might be necessary)
I guess I should start where I'm coming from, as far as history goes I came into the scene pretty late (around early 2012 if I remember rightly). But automatically I was drawn to the community and the people involved, like everyone else I had heard of Teamliquid far before SC2SEA but it lacked something for me. For a long time I couldnt pinpoint it but now with confidence I can easily say that Teamliquid lacked personality for me, the scale was too large and names didnt mean shit the only people you remembered where Mods and Trolls. But SC2SEA was different here was this home grown community site that felt really ******* organic, there was more circle jerking then a ******* gay bukkake and status meant everything. I meant lets be honest now if some random diamond made a detailed post pointing out how >insert pro player here was actually just a one trick pony or something people would hear him out. I mean of course a few of us would tell him that he ******* knows nothing and should shut up but more then half of the people who would respond would post some PR friendly bullshit like "Some decent points are made/Good write up" or "Come on guys hes just expressing his opinion give him a fair chance". Compared to back when I first came into the scene if someone made a post like that they would be ******* torn to shreds SC2SEA was a hierarchy and had more cliques then High school but that was what made it so ******* amazing.
I lurked for a long time before even attempting to post anything, I read all the old threads and learnt all the in jokes (shoutout to my school for giving me a laptop and not blocking SC2SEA or Twitch). But that was great, it was like this website was some shitty slice of life anime that you had to know a bit about before you could jump into it. Everyone had such defined personalities I mean one of the first people who's name I really started to notice was Spook and I mean how couldn't you. Here was this ******* dude who would shit talk anyone and everyone one of the first streamed matches from SC2SEA I watched was Spook verse Centrelink in a BO3 because one of them started shit talking the other and you know what this was better then most pro matches I have watched. I mean they where both really ******* bad but the hype leading up to it was amazing, here was two people you recognized who genuinely and openly disliked each other playing for nothing but pride and shit talking rights. It was personal and it was organic, this wasn't organized by a third party this was a challenge issued on an open forum and that is what made it great. None of this was uncommon either I mean there used to be ******* weekly blogs calling out people for a BO3 RvR, Mafia tried to revive the SEA ladder by basically challenging anyone to beat him and who could forget the ******* epic series that where played and loser had to change his name to something stupid for a week. These always meant more to me as a viewer then any prizepool because it wasnt just a game of Starcraft it was infused with personality, it was more then just a game where the players are literally interchangable and no one gives a **** about (COUGH EVERY KOREAN TOURNAMENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS COUGH). These where two people you where genuinely interested in and as a result this spilled over into lans and caused them to be even more interested ACL and local tournaments where so hype because of the storylines that existed beforehand.
Just as a footnote to that I would like to say it wasnt exclusive to players, there was massive rivalries between clans and that made things even better. Everyone in this scene knows everyone and because of that you hated other clans, I was in TCP and hated SR with a passion because I though Grim was a snide twat and generally disliked a lot of there players. So any form of Clanwar against them was so exciting for me and I wanted to win more then I ever have in any form of professional tournament. But in a sense clans where a lot like people so I wont write another massive paragraph that basically states the same thing.
Finally I just wanna talk about why this website is dying and face it, it is there is no where near as many people and threads as there used to be and at times chatbox is totally dead which is something that never used to happen. We've had moments where things looked like they might change I mean **** I would say in the last year the times when things looked like they might be on the rise where caused by the likes of old IXL, Frustration calling large amounts of people out (I still have no idea half the time if you are trolling or not but **** dude its more entertaining then most of the shit people usual spew), Troy ******* over that dude from Europe and AV ******* everyone over. Moments when no matter how hard people tried they couldnt keep up the PR facade for a brief moment we had the drama and rivalries back and we had what made me fall in love with the SC2 community back. But it died it was killed because now all we want to aim for is "Professionalism" well **** that you assholes wanna bring back the golden age then do something about it. BE INTERESTING, someone does something you really hate and you know is total bullshit call them out, bring back the troll posts and the ******* stupid meme threads, hell half of these problems could probable be solved by bring back people like Tgunn or Light etc who literally embodied the spirit of this scene. We have come to an crossroad and what we do from here is basically how we decide if this website becomes a hotspot of activity that causes the SEA scene to grow larger then ever with the release of Legacy of the Void or we all **** off back to league of legends and let that shitty ******* game grow even more.
Let's be honest mate, this scene started dying as soon as Mezje, RuineD and myself left. IXL was the absolute shit, who else talked as much shit as we did? We were the best and everyone started quitting pretty much because we stopped playing.
Wow, I'm sorry Malice. I thought you were just an asshole. I didn't know you were actually completely ******* deluded too
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The Transformer Zerg, Jadron Burgerman @Soundwave
When TA and co. were a force to be reckoned with we had some great time with banter, sledging and beef, but some of the people in charge of this site were babies and couldnt handle it.
Bans abounded, censorship prevailed and this site became sterile, and it hasn't really recovered since.
I am going to write a serious response as to why I stopped posting on this site, why I agree with Eros and why I think THIS site is ultimately the downfall of SC2 in SEA/Oceania.
Any community needs drama, it keeps it fresh and adds a competitive side to things that simply cannot be replicated by things such as large prize pools, points etc. Without drama a community/scene becomes drab and people have no need to check up on things and keep in the loop. I will happily admit I was an absolute fuckhead on here some time, but I am in real life too - especially with those I am close with, I like to have a joke around and be a dickhead sometimes, who doesn't? I know this culture might be a bit lost in SEA as the Aussie/NZ way of doing things is very different, I guess we are a lot more laid back. This clash of cultures is not necessarily a bad thing though, balance is good.
This community though from a young age was always very SEA dominated and to be honest a bit of a dictatorship, The site is horrible to look at and is just a complete clusterfuck. Combined with just an onslaught of in jokes and a pretty big circle jerk it makes it VERY hard for any new player to feel part of the community and get involved. It also doesn't help that SEA ladder is so dead and not worth playing, connecting with one another is harder than ever in our little eSports scene and this site certainly doesn't help, nor has it for a good 2+ years.
I think we are past the point of no return though now, this site is all that SC2 in SEA ha and if it dies, the competitive scene will too, the hype surrounding this game is dying - it saddens me. I watch Proleauge, GSL and S2SL religiously and absolutely LOVE this game. I still visit every LAN local to me and keep up to date with what is happening, something I can do completely independently without needing to check here. Troy messaged me to check this post as my name was mentioned and frankly I was disappointed in how the year or so I have stopped visiting this site, literally nothing has changed.
Big ups to Eddie for continuing to push this site in the right direction though, it is always good seeing the effort he puts in both online and offline, he is very under appreciated imho, also shoutout to Pezz, his blog is very true and should not be ignored, his point about Light is extremely valid - he is a great player and deserves a lot more recognition for his efforts, check out his YouTube VOD's if you get a chance, they are very informative.
Also, Frustration hope you are still fingering birds on the dfloor you gronk, Soundwave please never again take your junners and socks off in a seating area and then spray your toes - it is just ******* weird bro. Long live IXL sickcunts of SC2SEA. Grats MK on his 6th place monitor at the last Melbourne LAN, well deserved m9!
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Originally Posted by deth
When TA and co. were a force to be reckoned with we had some great time with banter, sledging and beef, but some of the people in charge of this site were babies and couldnt handle it.
Bans abounded, censorship prevailed and this site became sterile, and it hasn't really recovered since.
Just this.
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I keep it real bruv.
I am going to write a serious response as to why I stopped posting on this site, why I agree with Eros and why I think THIS site is ultimately the downfall of SC2 in SEA/Oceania.
Any community needs drama, it keeps it fresh and adds a competitive side to things that simply cannot be replicated by things such as large prize pools, points etc. Without drama a community/scene becomes drab and people have no need to check up on things and keep in the loop. I will happily admit I was an absolute fuckhead on here some time, but I am in real life too - especially with those I am close with, I like to have a joke around and be a dickhead sometimes, who doesn't? I know this culture might be a bit lost in SEA as the Aussie/NZ way of doing things is very different, I guess we are a lot more laid back. This clash of cultures is not necessarily a bad thing though, balance is good.
This community though from a young age was always very SEA dominated and to be honest a bit of a dictatorship, The site is horrible to look at and is just a complete clusterfuck. Combined with just an onslaught of in jokes and a pretty big circle jerk it makes it VERY hard for any new player to feel part of the community and get involved. It also doesn't help that SEA ladder is so dead and not worth playing, connecting with one another is harder than ever in our little eSports scene and this site certainly doesn't help, nor has it for a good 2+ years.
I think we are past the point of no return though now, this site is all that SC2 in SEA ha and if it dies, the competitive scene will too, the hype surrounding this game is dying - it saddens me. I watch Proleauge, GSL and S2SL religiously and absolutely LOVE this game. I still visit every LAN local to me and keep up to date with what is happening, something I can do completely independently without needing to check here. Troy messaged me to check this post as my name was mentioned and frankly I was disappointed in how the year or so I have stopped visiting this site, literally nothing has changed.
Big ups to Eddie for continuing to push this site in the right direction though, it is always good seeing the effort he puts in both online and offline, he is very under appreciated imho, also shoutout to Pezz, his blog is very true and should not be ignored, his point about Light is extremely valid - he is a great player and deserves a lot more recognition for his efforts, check out his YouTube VOD's if you get a chance, they are very informative.
Also, Frustration hope you are still fingering birds on the dfloor you gronk, Soundwave please never again take your junners and socks off in a seating area and then spray your toes - it is just ******* weird bro. Long live IXL sickcunts of SC2SEA. Grats MK on his 6th place monitor at the last Melbourne LAN, well deserved m9!
Just this.
Also, Frustration hope you are still fingering birds on the dfloor you gronk,
ahahaha Not lately mate but you know gotta do what u gotta do :P
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